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Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Thursday, January 17 2008, 0:47:43 (CET)
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I been reading the exchange of messages between you and pancho and I want to add a few things. First, I would like to mention that it seems as if you're misunderstanding the points that are raised by brother pancho and I think they are very ligit and logic. The issue is not what people like to call themselves. I get white folks telling me that their not white but say they are "Cherokee" "Blackfoot" etc and I really don't care what they call themselves. The issue raised by Pancho is that this small group of mostly Nestorian Christians grabbed the "Assyrian" label less than a 100 years ago and trying to use to create a Christrian state while abusing the label. That is the first issue here and if you think that is not the case I would recommend that you look around more and you'll see that is the case.

Secondly, I am curious as to what you were referring to when you said that the ancient Assyrians use to do something that only those who call themselves "Assyrian" today do? What exactly was that? Pancho had asked you but you didn't answer. As for being called "Iraqi" or "Assyrian", the name calling is not the issue but it is using a name in order achieve another agenda. What makes the today's Christians of Iraq more "Assyrian" than the rest of the Iraqis who also claim that the ancients were their ancastors? You also asked to find any other group that have anything to do with the ancients and what exactly do the so called Assyrians of today have in common with the ancients?

The other thing that striked me was about the Jew who was trying to re learn something about his language and he asked Assyrians for help. Assyrians of today don't speak "Ashuri" as they like to claim but speak "Arami" and that is not the same. If we call the language we speak "Assyrian", then Chaldeans have every right to call their language "Chaldani". The ancients spoke "Akkadian" and that was differen't from what we speak today. So the above would not be sufficient to prove that today's Christians of Iraq are the "direct descendants of the ancients". I am not denying that they are but I am saying that this kind of "proof" would not last in any civilized court. With all due respect but you are using the same explainations that the Christians use, but you are not a "Christian" I am quiet sure.

As far as "Christianity" being copied from ancient Assyrians is the most absurd myth ever. I have no investement to defend Christianity but I have to be honest for the sake of Allah(swt). Christianity did not copy from Assyrians at all. If they did any copying at all, they would have copied from the Pagan religions of the Roman Empire and I am not saying they did but that is a common theory by many. Assyrians did not have "atonement" "messiah" drinking blood and eating flesh symbolocally or many other beliefs of Christianity. You are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else is but having to "prove" is another issue. I hear people and especially many Christians make all kinds of claims but when asked to show "proof" they can only reply with name calling or finding a way out of the conversation. Just as you believe that everyone copied from Mesopotamia, others believe the same about other ancient civilizations.

Now days many are referring to Ethiopia as the "mother of civilization" others say the same thing about China and any other ancient kingdom. We know that Mesopotamia is definetly up there but remember that Assyrians were not the only people Mesopotamia but there were many nations and peoples who lived there and migrated there. All the ancievements were not always accomplished by Assyrians only but others did a lot as well. Don't get me wrong, I am not taking away from the ancients but just being fair and honest. People get carried away with their national pride but forget that we are still humans in the end. We live, we get sick, we cry and in the end will taste death whether Assyrian, Chinese, Somali or whatever. So I am waiting also for your respond about the ritual of the ancients, and many other things you mentioned.

Until then, peace be with you.

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