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Valid claims
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Wednesday, November 21 2007, 22:45:03 (CET)
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The Native Americans are the rightful inhabitants of the Americas and the Abirigenes are the rightful natives and indigineous people of Australlia. Today's Christians of Iraq who also call themselves descendants of the ancient Assyrians claim to be to the rightful owners of modern day Iraq and some surrounding areas. First of all, the Abirigines and the Native Americans were in control of their territory until recent centuries. The whole world knows that the white men came from Europe, massacred and slaughtered the indigenous populations and seized their lands. Yet, these same people are ignored and they in spite the fact that their case is more recent and more valid, they have not been able to get their land back.

Now, the modern day Assyrians are completely different from the above people. The above people didn't just pop up in 1915 as an ethnic community and suddenly demand their land back. Furthermore, their claims and lineage to their ancastors is not determined by "religion". Modern Assyrians were in the mountains of Turkey (hakkari) and didn't migrate to Iraq until around 1918 and it was around that time when they became known as "Assyrians". Assuming for the sake of arguement that they always were Assyrians and they are directly their descendants, where were they for over 2000 years? the only type of Syriac speaking people who resided in the plains of Nineveh were the modern day Chaldeans whom the Assyrians deny as the direct descendants of the Chaldeans of antiquity. So for over 2000 years, the today's Assyrians had abandoned their homeland and seeked refuge in the mountains. A lot happens in 2000 years. New people arrive who been living there for many centuries and suddenly a group of people who belong to a particular religious denomination comes back claiming that the entire land of Iraq is theirs, and they are the true descendants of the ancient Assyrians. Such claims do not work in the real world.

Whether in ancient times or in modern times, people don't get land by simply claiming "we were gone for over 2000 years, but here we are and now we want what's ours". It don't work that way. For example, the Arabs have been in Iraq for over 1,300 years now ever since their migration in the 7th century ce. Then came others after them and even before them. The Assyrians fell, and others came afterwards, and others came after them and it continued to this day. Today there are Kurds in Northern Iraq and they have been there for a few centuries as well. Most important of all, they didn't hide behind religion, but they fought for it against various people and, technically, they have legitimiate rights to the area that is under their control, and they have earned it. They didn't lie, and they don't have Aprim's and other who try to gain their goals by twisting historical events around in order to make a case for "persecution" and "genocide". The Kurds fought bravely and established themselves in Northern Iraq. They are not going anywhere nor are they just gonna hand it over the few thousand Christians who claim the land belongs to them alone.

It can be agreed and it is a fact that the ancient Mesopomians are the ancastors of modern day Iraqis(including Christians). No one is denying the history of the ancient Assyrians and other great empires who ruled from Mesopotamia. What they are not buying is the claim that the modern day Christians of Iraq are the direct desscendants of the ancient Assyrians and they have the right for "special treatment". You have the same rights every one else has in Iraq, and what is so bad about that? That is better than what the Natives and the Abirgines get and their cases are much more valid and much more recent. The number one destinations for Assyrians are America, Canada and Australia, lands which are taken from others and Assyrians have no problem with it, yet they think they deserve some kind of special treatment in Iraq.

We had special treatment under the Ottoman Islamic empire until some devout Christians decided to risk their asses for their western allies. They were ruined their reputation and ruined what they had. Then, they did again after they were welcomed to Iraq as refugees and were given a place to stay. They were arrogant and hard headed and decided to revolt against the Iraqi government and that resulted again in the loss of about 300 innocent people in Semele. They didn't learn from their lessons and they continue to make the same mistakes. Only now we have created new tactics which don't work either and that is unacceptable. Telling lies and trying to gain sympathy by fabricating stories of "persecution" and so called "oppression due to our Christian faith". Assyrians didn't suffer any of the above but as they say, "you do the crime, you do the time" and that is how it works. If I break the laws in Dallas Texas, I will have to pay the price, The same goes anywhere else in this world. If anyone has lost more people and suffered more, it is the Arabs of Iraq who always had to pay the price.

While Saddam was president he had Arabs executed by the tons, what is their excuse? so the Assyrians who were killed were not victims of "anti Christianism or anti Assyrian" but it was for crimes they committed. So, when the Natives and the Abirigenes get their land back and the Whites and the Christians go back to where they came from, maybe and I say maybe, will the modern day Assyrian Christians get their land back, but their still remains a problem since there are millions of Muslims in Iraq who also claim Assyrian/Babylonian ancastry. So what about them?



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