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Written by Jonathan Steele on 06 Dec 2006 05:16:23:

'We're staying and we will resist'

...one of several people OUTSIDE Iraq who likes to write as if he is INSIDE....the "we" is Christianity...once again Christians are using us to maintain a presence for their religion...we serve THEM...they USE us. It's a great relationship.

While the Pope tries to build bridges in Turkey, the precarious plight of Iraq's Christians gets only worse, writes Jonathan Steele from Mosul - Guardian Unlimited

...everyone's plight gets worse...but since foreign Christians brought this war it stands to reason that the Christians of Iraq will suffer all the more.

Whatever harm Benedict XVI's incendiary remarks about Islam and the prophet Mohammed did for his image in Turkey, which his visit there is trying to repair this week, they were devastating in Iraq.

..the words of Christians have indeed hurt...but the DEEDS of Christians have hurt much much more.

The country's small Christian community now lives in fear after extremists threatened to kill all Christians unless the Pope apologised. Churches cancelled services and congregations shrank as people stayed at home.
According to the latest bimonthly report on human rights by the UN mission in Iraq, Baghdad churches put up banners dissociating themselves from the Pope's quotation in a speech in September of a medieval Byzantine emperor saying that Islam had brought the world no good.

...in Iraq everyone can see the kind of "good" Christianity brought...including this pope. While Iraqis have suffered unbelievable torture at the hands of Christian nations have you heard them utter ONE disparaging comment about Jesus?

Mosul contains Iraq's most ancient Christian churches, clustered close together in the old city on a cliff above the Tigris. They suffered the most violent reaction. Rockets were fired at the Chaldean church of the Holy Spirit and a bomb went off by its main door. Unknown gunmen fired at a convent of Dominican sisters and the church of al-Safena.
Kidnappers seized Paulos Eskander, a Syriac Orthodox priest, in early October and demanded that his church put up posters denouncing the Pope's remarks as well as a ransom in cash.
Although the church promptly complied with the poster demand, the priest's decapitated body was found two days later, showing signs of torture, before the money was paid.

..the entire country has been "kidnapped" by Christian nations...money has not been demanded it has been STOLEN and hundreds of thousands of Muslims have been killed....and many have shown the signs of torture...stop trying to make a case ONLY for your suffering...until we all recognize the suffering of ALL the people in Iraq there will be nothing more than tit for tat...with the Christians losing more tits.

Christians in northern Iraq were under severe pressure even before the Pope's ill-considered comments.

...everyone in Iraq is under severe pressure...not just Christians...you expect the world to care MORE that Christians are suffering while NEVER mentioning how it can be that so many Christians get your religion "wrong"...until Christians accept this war as a Christian war they can't cry about their Christians VICTIMS!

Thousands have fled in recent months to Syria or the autonomous Kurdish region of northern Iraq. Every Christian town and village on the Nineveh plain east of Mosul now has its own armed guards.

...that will only make things worse....they haven't the manpower or weapons to resist and will only anger people more by killing a few Muslims here and there...there is no course open to them except to passively suffer retaliation or running...just remember who brought this to them...it wasn't Muslim nations but Christian nations who placed them in such jeopardy...as they have every time.

"They are answerable to me", said Sarkis Aghajan, an Assyrian who is the Christians' main political leader in the north.

...what does "answerable" mean?

Based in Irbil, he also serves as one of two finance ministers in the Kurdish regional government. "No one, neither the Kurds nor the Arabs can prevent us establishing these forces - not even the Americans.

...a few guards, to protect the CHURCH, are hardly "forces".

When they were killing and beheading us, no one came to our protection."

...and no one ever will.

The Assyrians count themselves as Iraq's original inhabitants. Their ancestors built Nineveh and Babylon and the other great cities of Mesopotamia. They were also the area's first converts to Christianity. Their language, even today, is Aramaic.

..this is bunk...it's what makes them valuable to you...the Christians of today have nothing in common with the Assyrians whose glory was due to their inspiration and belief in their own god...your Hebrew carpenter has done this to them...they took him seriously and followed him up onto his cross...and they got crucified just as he promised them.

The latest wave of persecution follows a pattern that is all too familiar. "We have been massacred for two thousand years. They always say we're agents of the west", said Mr Saghajan.

...bullshit. You have been there 2000 years...what kind of massacre is that? You have suffered what any minority preaching sedition would...you were massacreing EACH OTHER when the Muslims came and called a halt...no one has murdered more Christians than other Christians...no one has murdered more Jews than Christians...no one has murdered more PEOPLE than Christians...

The current move to push them out of Mosul is the fifth time Christians have been under major threat in the region in less than a century, he added.

....more nonsense. The Christians who've "suffered" in Iraq did so because of what a few have DONE...not for their religion.

Iraq's armed forces destroyed Christian villages in Kurdistan in 1933,

...one village...and it was payback for the Levies...they didn't go on destroying villages...Saddam leveled villages and the churches in those villages because that's where these "nationalist" jackasses are taught their "history" and encouraged to preach sedition...by ignorant priests...they are the Madrassahs that at other times and in other religions the West condemns...Saddam too condemned these Christian madrassahs where this nonsense originates...he had every good reason to do so. As you can see.

forcing thousands to flee to Syria. Baghdad's war on the Kurds saw three more waves, culminating in the notorious Anfal campaign for which Saddam Hussein is currently on trial in Baghdad.

...who will put Bush on trial for the far more devastating war on Iraq?

This time, says Mr Aghajan, Christians are not going to be pushed out. Referring to the armed guards his churches have recruited - he does not like the word "militias" - he declares: "We've decided to stay and we will resist."

...go ahead...resist...it will only anger people more...and the West STILL won't rescue you. These guards are up in Kurdistan...and so far there isn't the kind of violence or the need for guards up there as there is in the rest of Iraq...it makes a nice gesture but when the violence shifts north...those guards will throw away their weapons and run...your religion has taught people to turn their cheeks and run.

His brave words come late in the day.

...words have the same utility at any time of day.

Iraq's Christian community numbered 1.4 million in 1980 at the start of Iraq's war on Iran. By April 2003, when the US-led invasion toppled Saddam Hussein, it was down to 800,000, according to Mr Aghajan.

....the war between Iran and Iraq was not the reason so many Christians ran out...nice try. The war brought by Christians is the real reason for the decline in numbers.

Since then the lawlessness, car-bombings and sectarian conflict have cut it to 500,000, of whom 250,000 live in Baghdad.

...Christians need to leave Iraq...because Christian nations USE them.

Christians often ran businesses selling alcohol. In Basra and other Shia cities of the south, as well as Shia suburbs of Baghdad where Islamist parties are strong, they have been forced to close. Many Christians worked on US bases as cleaners and laundry workers, often hired because the Americans felt non-Muslims were less of a security risk.

...like I said...they USE us.

This caused them to be targeted by insurgents as "collaborators".

...far more Muslim collaborators have been killed...the entire government put there by the United States will be seen as collaborators when the Americans leave.

Like the Mosul Christians, many of those from Baghdad have fled to Kurdistan. At St Joseph's church in Irbil, which is packed for the weekly service on Friday evenings, few families are willing to talk. They shrink when a visitor introduces himself as a journalist.
A car salesman from Mosul now runs a small clothing shop near the church. He agreed to speak but without giving his name. "We left our house in a hurry, and couldn't bring any of our furniture. A bomb had gone off right outside," he said. It was shortly before the Pope made his notorious comments. He is glad he got out in time.

...since you're willing to admit the pope's comments caused additional suffering you'll readily admit that the comments and DEEDS of ALL Christian leaders have done the same...you're just a born-again with an axe to grind against Catholicism...but Bush isn't Catholic...he's a resurrected dolt, like you are..and Bush's ACTIONS as well as his words have caused by far the greater damage to Iraqis...including the Christian minority who will see REAL retaliation when you western Christians get out.

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