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Where Did Assyrians Go To And Where Did We Come From?

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According to Dr Joseph, Assyriologists have erroneously claimed that each and every Assyrian disappeared completely and immediately after the Fall. Dr Joseph argues that this did not ocuur. But neither does he credit the other idea, also put forth by Assyriologists(and flogged by our own modern writers), that remnants of them survived in revived and resurrected Assyrian cities or client-states, built back up by a “native Assyrian nobility” and population. Rather that these cities never regained their former might or activity and that the people there had little in common with their “Assyrian or Babylonian precursors”. That the people there could not have withstood all the combined forces and influence of the various people to wash over them and by whom they were eventually swallowed up, including first among them the Arameans whose language they had adopted some time earlier. This , Dr Joseph points out, has been the story of BetNahrain, the successive settling of the settled towns by new waves of inhabitants and that never, in the history of that region have one people, one culture or one religion ruled exclusively without such new infusion. The Assyrians, he asserts, brought their own demise upon them not by losing a final war, but by forgetting their language and adopting another, for whatever reason, and that only in this sense did they “disappear”…because they forgot their mother tongue, which is something we well understand for we have warned each other and our children that to forget our new language of Aramaic, would cause us to lose our “Assyrian” identity…in which we are only half-correct…for we mistakenly went on calling our identity “Assyrian” when we had committed that cardinal sin ourselves, of adopting another language, that of the people of Aram, in Syria, and we lost our Assyrio/Akkadian identity some time ago, so that if we lose our Aramaic language now, we will lose the Aramaic culture that came with it and in which we have been living for centuries, calling ourselves, appropriately, Syrians or, in our Aramaic language, Suraye or Suryoyo. He adds: “About 800 years after the fall of Nineveh, a common religion (Christianity), together with a common language (Aramaic) unified the peoples of this region, just as Islam and the Arabic tongue would arabize and muslimize most of the Arameans a few centuries later, causing THEM to ‘disappear’.” Dr Joseph says that modern Assyrians belong to a religious and cultural group formed together into a “..minority by ties of a common church membership and, until the nineteenth century, a common church membership which, until the birth of the modern nation-state in the Middle east, was the strongest tie among people” Who can argue…not scream bloody murder, but argue? He says, further, that any lineal descent is lost in the mists of history, as it is for all the people there, and that this religious and linguistic minority is made of a mixture of ethnicities containing, mainly, Arameans but also Persians, Kurds, Arabs and Jews….just as “present-day Arabs are the result of a similar merger of a variety of nationalities”. And that as those who spoke Arabic gave most of the converts to Islam in the Middle East and North Africa the name “Arab” so too did the Arameans give various converts to Christianity their own mother tongue and for 1,800 years “bequeathed to them the language of their literature and liturgy as well as the very name by which their literature and liturgy as well as the very name by which they have for centuries called themselves…Suraye, Suryaye. …until the Europeans began meddling in the 16th Century A.D. and then again in the 19th…and ever since. We called ourselves Syrians because our new language came from geographical Syria, the home of the Arameans. No matter how similar sounding Syria is to Assyria that is no proof that the Aramaic people of Syria, whose people, culture and language was conquered and adapted and assimilated by the conquering Assyrians who were “conquered” by them in turn, causing them to forget their Akkadian/Assyrian language and, in time, original, native culture and history, were in any way ethnically related to the Assyrians. We will deal with the “lost “A” next…the one that was supposedly “tliqta” all those centuries and whose “recovery” by us, in our desperation to become “Assyrians”, and which was really there “all the time” is proof that we were really (A)-syrians all along…it’s a clever bit of duplicity, like the notion that we were ever descendants of the ancient Assyrians, to begin with, for being Christians, which the western Catholic Church first claimed for us and which we took up and ran mad with to smack our heads into Kurdistan. --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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