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=> beth-shlimon gets tricky....

beth-shlimon gets tricky....
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Saturday, May 4 2013, 0:49:54 (UTC)
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...he's posted another article about a book titled "Haggarism" by Crone and Cook....it's in Arabic, of course...this "prowd assyrian" stopped writing , or translating to pig-English, after we tore apart his silly articles...but, I can guess what he's saying because Dr Joseph in his book mentions that assyrian nationalists love to miss-use that book to build their own fairy tales...so I'll just reproduce that part....


“Odishoo’s reading of Hagarism leads him to the conclusion that as late as the Parthian period, over 800 years after the fall of the Assyrian empire, ‘there survived a strong native (Assyrian) [sic] aristocracy peculiar to itself and very conscious of its past and proud of it’. To reinforce his hypothesis, Odisho cites historian of ancient Iraq Georges Roux, who notes that during the Parthian period geographical ‘Assyria’ was literally resurrected ‘ and that several of its cities’ were ‘inhabited again, and Ashur, rebuilt anew, became at least as large a city as it had been in the heyday of the Assyrian empire’.” p. 28

...this is where the lying and manipulation, which is the only "movement" in this community comes about...perpend.....

“According to Odisho, the resurrection and rebuilding of Assyria were done by the ‘strong native Assyrian aristocracy’ that he believes flourished under the benign rule of the Parthians. A more careful reading of Roux, however, would have shown that there is no mention of any Assyrian involvement in the reoccupation and reconstruction of the ‘towns and villages which had been lying in ruins for hundreds of years’. In the very next sentence following the above quotation, LEFT OUT (my emphasis) by Odisho, Roux writes that it must be emphasized that the ‘revived settlements had very little in common with their Assyrian or Babylonian precursors’; that the old Sumero-Akkadian civilization, which was ‘perpetuated by a few priests in a few temples’, was an ‘ossified’ civilization that simply could not withstand the profound ethnic, linguistic, religious and cultural changes that were introduced by successive waves of invaders in northern Mesopotamia…Persians ,Greeks, Arameans, pre-Islamic Arabs…’who could be neither kept at bay nor assimilated’. This massive influx of foreign peoples and ideas ‘had submerged what was left of the Sumero-Akkadian civilization.” pp 28-29


...Odishho, rememeber, is on the board of JAAS and is listed as a "teacher of teachers"...and yet he pulls a cheap trick like this because assyrians don't read, they just talk...he left out the one sentence which is the entire point, and would destroy his case...this is what Aprim and all the rest do...the pick over books and facts to see what they can take out of context, twist and lie about.

...but this is my favorite...


“…See also Hagarism , p. 190, n. 71, where, in accordance with their methodology, authors Crone and Cook accept Qardaghs’s descendance from Assyrian kings as a believed fact by his contemporaries, making Hagarism a favorite source book of the modern Assyrian writers. In a letter to the author, dated June 11, 1997, Patricia Crone wrote that she and Cook ‘do not argue that the Nestorians of pre-Islamic Iraq saw themselves as Assyrians or that this is what they called themselves. They called themselves Suryane (Syrians, mine), which had no greater connotation of Assyrian in their usage than it did in anyone else's…We take it for granted that they got the modern Assyrian label from the West and proceeded to reinvent themselves…Of course the Nestorians were Arameans (Syrian/Suryane, mine).” p 27

...you can bet no Odishoo or Shlimon will use that paragraph, especially not the last sentence...you notice that the authors were in touch with John Joseph, as a fellow scholar, academic and author....you think they'd write to Shlimon?



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