The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> fact vs fiction/opinions

Posted by Rashad (Guest) - Friday, February 10 2012, 8:39:04 (UTC)
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It's obvious that these heroes, all of them, can't distinguish between an opinion and a fact. They don't even care to know the difference just as they don't care for books, and history. Who needs books after all when they already know the "truth in the heart" and there is also a difference between books and "books" which they also can't differentiate. Our newest hero falls right into the same category with the rest of them. I can predict at this point what they say or how they react and I am not even a prophet; you don't have to be one to foretell how they will respond. The "I don't have time to waste" had to come out sooner or later. No way was he gonna post on here without dropping that one just one time at least. We post something or say something, which isn't our opinion but facts established by prominent historians who are respected in the academic world, and our heroes say they are; they are evil, Qurds, or dismiss them as if they are mere opinion like the ones they have. This isn't about my opinion and your opinion. Our opinions don't even matter and we can differ all we desire, however, it's not he same with a fact. If you don't agree with a fact, then that's just how it will be but it still remains a fact. It is necessary to establish the difference between facts, which is what we use(not our own opinions), and, opinions or fiction, which what the nationalists use.

Here are some facts and I don't care how many times they are repeated and they are worth mentioning every so often for these dweebs and also for others from the outside to know what these folks are really all about.

Fact: the current church of the east adopted the Assyrian name in 1975. It was never called the "Assyrian church of the East" prior to 1975.

Fact: These Nestorians of today who happen to call themselves "Assyrian" today did not use such identity until the mid 1800s. There was no such nation or identity until then. Assyrian names were not used prior to that. Go back in time, 300, 600, 900 years or further and one can go over thousands of manuscripts and not find a single Assyrian name among the Christians who spoke Syriac.

fact: The language spoken by Chaldeans, Suyoye, and Assyrians is Aramaic. There are various dialects but the same language either way one slices the cake. When the great discovery was made by the Europeans, they didn't call in these peasants to translate for them, but it was the same Europeans that translated them and taught the world about the ancient Assyrians, and these clowns just happened to stroke their own testicles with that. The writings were in the language of the Assyrians and these Nestorians couldn't understand a word.

fact: When the Nestorian dissidents and those who plead allegiance to John Sulaqa rejoined the Roman Catholic faith, they became Chaldeans, and the remaining Nestorians also jumped along. This is why Eli Smith and other western historians, missionaries and travelers testified to this fact and mentioned Chaldeans and Nestorians but never once said "Assyrians."

Fact: Those Nestorians who rejoined Catholicism did were not called assyrians before that. There was no Assyrian identity during that time so they simply ceased being Syriac speaking Nestorians and became Roman Catholics who speak the same language. The Chaldean name has been in use before the Assyrian nationalism started and these modern Nestotorians are descendants of those who felt left out and jumped on the bandwagon. If they were Assyrian as our heroes say, they wouldn't need to be envious against the Chaldeans because they have Nineveh, Ashur Banipal, Sargon, etc. But they were not aware of those things even though they heard a little from the bible. It never occurred to them that those ancient Assyrians were their ancestors.

There is more but the above is enough for now. Those aren't opinions which one can dispute or refute. They are established and one can choose to ignore them but that don't make them false. I don't need to go over some of their opinion in the above order and I can just say the heroes generally object to the above, and their objections and beliefs are nonsense and opinions. Everything the claim is based on opinions, is false or a flat out lie. Now they will say I am Kurd or only a Kurd would say the above but it wouldn't prove the above wrong even if I were one. Even if I had bad intentions it wouldn't make a difference because the above are facts and not my opinions which I got from my pocket or from some village priest.

I think what bothers and stumbles these people is that we are not foreigners, Muslims, Jews, Arabs or Kurds. they know we are not. They can't face us because ewe are from within. In every bigoted community there are honest people and they stand out and refuse to play along. They exist among Armenians who debunked the genocide myth. They are usually attacked, slandered and often even assassinated. Our heroes aren't this tough so they stick to profanity on the internet and making threats such as this dweeb who wants to date me and says he has gathered his little troopps from the internet. What's he gonna do with his troops who are all living in the US, go to war for Assyria in Iraq? My arse. He will just talk and bark and create more accounts and post under different names. It is the things they do which they accuse others of.

They call us "kurds" because to them that's supposed to hurt our feelings or it's something shameful, but I wouldn't care. In fact, I come out and say I love Arabs and love their language, culture and poetry. I love Turkish and don't have anything against Kurds and I know have known a few of them. It wouldn't matter if I were any of the above because it isn't me that's important but what I say. If I am lying, they can refute me or expose me. Even if I have bad intentions they can stop me by offering their side. Why can't they do that and why do I become "evil" because of that? Is it perhaps they can't really argue what we say so they have to divert by lying about us or saying we are Kurds or Jews? What difference does it make? I have to keep asking this and go over it many times because they don't get it.

He says we are wrong, we are Kurds and evil and have dirty agendas but he doesn't debunk what we are saying. They can scream like prostitutes in Israel, cry, bark, dance and call names all they want to and it won't matter. I don't run from words and only a weak person has to do that. someone who doesn't really have and ground to stand on has to run. Our new dweeb says he has gathered his troops and I am not even gonna get into too much of that, but we have seen he can't handle speaking, and having a dialogue or debate on here through typing. they can't face their enemy in person on a stage nor on the internet, but he will meet me in my city and bring his "warriors" with him? I would gladly take that challenge but I know it's empty and cheap talk by an adult who is still immature and he can't handle talking about this subject yet he expects me to take hims serious and get physical.

I would gladly give you my address and beg you to bring along as much of your heroes as you can but I know it's only a dream for me and I am talking to a wannabe internet thug. let's focus on these before we can upgrade to something more physical. trust me and I will be honest with you, I am itching for your kind as well and would love to skin you but it will never happen just as Fred Aprim would never accept the challenge of going over the Assyrian nationalism topic. I know, I know, he doesn't have time for me as he is busy fighting for Assyria from his computer in his California house. He is too busy telling Christians in America about what Muslims are doing to his people, putting his signature on his "books" and being a good little Assyrian. Let's cut the bullshit and this silly game you people like to play and tackle some of the things me and others on here say. refute it here on a free forum where there is no banning. Educate us with your facts and slap what we say out of the way. You guys love free speech you say and here is a chance. accept it and go down with dignity at least once. You are sons of Ashur Banipal you say, act like it for once and stop embarrassing yourselves and bending down to the cracker for sympathy.

Now I will go smoke.

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