The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

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first appearance on wikipedia...
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Sunday, April 22 2012, 18:08:33 (UTC)
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...I'm still reworking my article...but if you type in "Assyrians" in the search box at the top of the homepage, to choose a topic...you get to the article they have there now...which, as long as it sticks to ancient history, is just fine...it's further down when they sneak in the fact, like its as proven as the actual history above, that assyrians are still around that you get to the propaganda...and they just take off running with it....but, there is also a "talk" tab at the top left of this page and if you click there you see a scroll of comments on the article...and there you will find the usual stuff, though much better expressed, for the most part...and, if you go to the bottom of the scroll you'll see the latest comments...and there I is...

I urge any of you to go over and take a peak and join the discussion...it's easy once you figure out their system...if I can do it anyone can...it helps to register, which takes nothing...but you don't have to...the advantage to that place, over all the others, is that they don't remove comments that use actual SOURCES...and we've got the best ones...you'll see the usual.."..it is proen that...." Of, "everone now admits that...."...when nothing they say is proven or admitted by anyone other than their own cousins....none of them can argue with Dr. Joseph, nor the other sources we've used over the past to show that their claims to Muslim persecution are bogus...in fact, that's an excellent place to make our Shlimon-challenge...the one thing is that we help our cause if we don't get nasty, swear and the rest of it because that can be used as an excuse to remove an otherwise valid post...let THEM be the ones to bring our mothers into it...lets act professional and calm, which we can afford to do because we have actual history on our side while they're still hysterics.

...here's my comment,

Unfortunately, the sources where all of these claims are made are not reliable or made by professional historians in THIS field. Many of these sources are books produced by amateurs through the Vanity-Press industry, with no peer-review or editorial board oversight. There is only one, major, source for actual, documented, facts about the claims to a modern Assyrian existence and that is a book by Dr. John Joseph, retired professor, Emeritus, of Middle Eastern History at Franklin and Marshall College, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, who earned a doctorate from Princeton University. Recently retired, Dr. Joseph was further recognized when a new International Studies building at Franklin and Marshall was named for him. He is an actual, published, author with Princeton University Press and Brill, a publisher in existence for four hundred years, someone the State Department goes to when seeking information about "Assyrians", "Chaldeans" and others who claim such titles. His research has shown that these ancient names were applied to Christian sects by European, and American, missionaries and government agents, starting with Roman Catholic missionaries in the 15th century and then by Protestants in the 19th. His book, "The Modern Assyrians of the Middle East", is well-referenced, citing professional and scholarly sources, such as other qualified historians as well as the missionary record, which are actual and themselves reliable and verifiable. On the other side we see anecdotes, personal memories and what was passed down by parents and priests passing as fact. Most of us are too polite to cast doubt on such claims, implying that people don't know who they are or are fabricating a glorious history for themselves...but Dr. Joseph, himself born in Iraq to a "Chaldean" family, approached the subject as a qualified historian, not a partisan with a political agenda of one day wresting what would amoung to a Christian enclave from Iraq, under the leadership of the West. One further note is that while some professionals, in other fields, such as Simo Parpola are presented as experts, they are not expert in THIS field, Dr Parpola is an Assyriologist expert in the history of the ancient Assyrians....Dr. Joseph would no more think of writing a book on ancient Assyrians than one would think Parpola would about modern Assyrians, who appeared suddenly in the 19th cenutury, a time and place, the Middle East, in which Dr. Joseph IS an expert..

....let's see how long it lasts, unmolested...or what kind of responses it gets....I'm not looking for a fight...I just want to present this side of the story in a place that no doubt gets more readers than even we do.



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