The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

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in which I wikirefuse to wikistop...

Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Thursday, April 26 2012, 18:46:14 (UTC)
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From Dr. Joseph's book:

“The use of these terms, Arameans, Syrians, Nestorians, Chaldeans and Assyrians in reference to the same Christian minority, depending on the user's preferred term, has continued to cause confusion.” p. 1

..this is how a Christian sect assures itself that it has "always known we are Assyrians"...wherever they read, in the historical record, the word "Aramean", they say, "that's US, that's Assyrians!. When next they read "Syrians", the say, "That's us too!, that's Assyrians!"...and when they read "Nestorians" anywhere they say, "That's also us, that's Assyrians!"...."Look! We've ALWAYS been here!!!" And yet, they are the same Christian sect, after the advent of Christianity, but with different names for itself... before that they were merely survivors along with many other ethnic types and none of them "pure", of their empire who were swallowed up and mixed and matched into the Persian Empire and then the Islamic Empire and now into the American Empire.

..No one has proposed, or shown any proof that the ancient Assyrians were purely, ethnically, Assyrian. The idea is highly unlikely since the ancients had none of the bigoted racist views so prevalent among the moderns, about mixing with others. The idea that "Assyrians", because they were Christians, only mixed with other Assyrians, when it is meant they only married within their Christian faith (as you can see they kick out, from "Assyria", anyone who dares marry a Muslim), neither takes into account all the mixing they were doing before, when they still had their empire, or after, but before Christianity, when, for 600 years, they were as happily mixing with everybody else who moved through such as Medes, Babylonians, pre-Islamic Arabs, Greeks and Islamic Arabs, as they ever did...there was never a "pure" Assyrian anyway...never.

..The idea that there is any sort of Assyrian marker gene is absurd. You only get such a notion if you assume that all the people who now say they are "Assyrian" are really Assyrian...but that has not been proven, only alleged. In no school of Assyriology do they have a course on the modern existence of Assyrians. This is a notion something you have to get elsewhere, and therein lies the rub, when presenting assyriologists as somehow expert on this topic...or our parents.

...What Dr Joseph has shown is that we have sects of Christians SAYING they are the descendants of the Assyrians, and then geneticists ACCEPTING them at their word, and conducting studies "proving" something about modern Assyrian connection to old East Christian sects and calling THAT "genetic proof that Assyrians do exist". But none of that is valid unless and until it is proven that these modern Assyrians are connected in any way to the ancients...until then the conclusions drawn are about Christian genes and not Assyrian ones. Genetics knows no religion...you don't change genes by turning to Muhammad, or Buddha, as the wikieditor here claims. That is a deliberate muddling of science, the kind of thing amateurs are expected to do, but not professionals like Dr Joseph.

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