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Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Tuesday, January 6 2009, 0:36:55 (CET)
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Whether the caliphs loved them or not, it doesn't matter because they still did not treat them no where near as bad as Christians treated them. Since you don't like history but for your info, the quoted historian did mention that at times certain Caliphs had become greedy and even strayed from Islam, yet the conditions were still decent. As for as Jizya, it was never more than what a person could afford and it was always and only taken from the men of ilitary ages and only those who could afford it. The amount was never more than what the average Muslim paid in zakat and this too is proven. The people did not convert to avoid taxes but did so for a whole lot of reasons. Many converted because they understood the deen as a correction of their mistakes and false worship, some converted to free themselves from Christian persecution but forced conversions or to avoid Jizya has no basis. This is what you have to claim out of embarrassment because it is unacceptable to how Islam gained converts this quick while Christianity from the first century were never in agreement and killed one another. It wasn't until the 4th century that Christianity was made to its present form, all other "Christianities" which did not see eye to eye with Constantine's version were exterminated, and others were forced to accept this religion.

The Christians went on to destroy temples, synagogues, other churches, libraries and violently removed others. I can go on and on with your history but there is no need to educate you because you already know it all. If there was any good in people like you, God would have guided you to the straight path as well but He guides whom he pleases and you people have dirty agendas and are insincere, yet Muslims still tolerated you all and allowed you to live, and prosper. As Bernard Shaw stated, "the tolerance shown by the Muslim caliphs was suprising, yet it even put many Christian nations to shame". This is true because we know that Europe was in dark ages. Christians showered at the most twice a year when Muslim cities had street lights, public baths, sewer systems and much more. During the crusades, the Christians knew how to catch the Muslims becaause of the smell of perfumes. This how your popes told their "holy warriors" how to identify Muslims, but there others who said "kill them all for God knows his own".

To this day Muslims have never killed off whole populations of people, systematically wipe them out or committed any of the atrocities committed by Christians throughout their history. Some of the methods applied by Christians in order to convert people, it not only struck my mind, but I couldn't find any other community, both past or present, that have done so. Everything from torture, exploiting women, seducing men, killing parents to raise the children Christian, over taxing people so that they'll have no choice but to convert and using many other methods. This has not changed even today how missionaries will go to war torn 3rd world countries, and hope to catch naive or uneducated, desperate people, and at times even other Christians.

The reason you people accuse Muslims of high taxes is because it was done by you people and you want to apply the same to Muslims. While some caliphs did not want Christians to convert because of the benefit of Jizya, they never over taxed them to a point were they couldn't handle it nor were they ever pressured to accept Islam. But since it is so hard for you to believe that there are open minded "Assyrians" out there, a person I know for 3 years now has just recently embraced Islam and this person was born and raised in Iraq, speaks fluently Surith, was brought up with out same prejudices, yet came to America and just a few months ago accepted Islam because of his own research. I met another "Assyrian" woman who lives in Texas, she too converted and was threatened to be killed by her brothers, family and all the "brave" "Assyrians" but thank God she is safe now as she married a good Muslim brother. If these people today are accepting Islam in the U.S, while they were raised with the same prejudices, is it that hard for you to believe that there were Nestorians and others who embraced Islam out of their own believes and decisions?

I rest my case, but before I go I lik to mention, it's strange that so far every "Assyrian" Christian I meet who behaves the way the average "nationalist" behaves has been a jerk and an ass hole. I am sorry to say this but it's true. Prejudice, arrogant and nothing but dirty words come out of his/her mouth. Then there are few of those who are kind, generous, and at least they can tolerate others regardless of religion. I also meet "Assyrians" who openly admit that they are agnostics and athesists, and I am guessing that they are forced too.



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