The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> poor bastards in debate

Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Sunday, January 9 2011, 12:16:16 (UTC)
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...what a dilemna Norman poses for Zionists and their supporters. They can´t play the holocaust card because he´s already written a book exposing what he calls the "Holocaust Industry" in which he shows that Jews extorted money from Swiss banks...they can´t accuse him, to his face, of being a Jew-Hater....or a Holocaust-Denier...or a self-hating Jew....his parents were in concentration camps and both sides of his family were exterminated by Christians...and by now there are other respected Jews against whom these same bogus charges just won´t stick.

They can´t say things like "Israel is willing to give up partof its demands in return for..." because he points out that the issue isn´t what ISRAEL generously wants to "give up" but rather what international LAW says it must!

And yet they can´t very well refuse to debate him because then he sets the rules with no one there to at least try to destroy his position..or get the argument back to where it´s been for 30 years...so they have to go up against him, though I watched oen debate in which his opponent said he was not expecting to see Norman but someone else and the fellow refused to confront Norman.

I´ve watched, in delight, as two opponets were ultimately forced to show their hand, reduced to making absolutely ridiculous "points" because that´s all Norman left them, so well prepared was he to counter the usual sane-sounding explanations ordinarily given.

One guy said Palestinians deserved "autonomy" in Palestine, but not "sovreignty" because they have been on the "losing side" in recent history...and the Israelis on the winning side. Historically no one lost as many times as them Jews...they lost to Egypt, Babylonia, Assyria, Greece and Rome...and would have lost to anyone else who´d marched by...they´ve been on their own losing side for 3000 years building up quite a breathtaking record of losing...

Another guy was reduced to nit-picking the word "occupied"...the UN and all humanitarian organizations as well as the World Court of Justice have reaffirmed international law which says that Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem are occupied Palestinian lands and Israel must withdraw completely...the guy came back with, " we ALL live on occupied land, let America give back Indian lands and then talk to Isarel"...except that these international bodies are addressing the modern world...none of them were around when the Pligrims landed...we´re talking about international LAW...if Israel says that other nations ignore those laws so why should Israel obey them, the answer is that Israel is the one country which ignores international law consistently and flagrantly....so after ignoring it they can´t turn around say "no one obeys so why should we".

Norman is correct...the media and America have made it SEEM like the conflict is very complicated and hard to settle....all my adult life that´s been the mantra...except it´s not true...in 1967 the UN determined a peaceful settlement but has been stymied by the US and Israel...which means simply the United States, which is acting in its self-interest while the Jews have been forced to act against theirs....the solution is simple, peaceful and is agreed to by now by all Arab parties...Jews who persist in saying its very complicated are really interested in repeated acts of provocation and massacres for the sole purpose of either killing or driving out as many Arabs as they can, so they can occupy and keep more land...because Isarewl has a major problem, it is doomed by sheer numbers.

Millions of Arabs surround it and they are multiplying faster than Jews can kill or drive them off...to quote the film Casablanca "not even Nazis can kill that fast"...Jews have smaller families, so the race is already determined...what makesd Israel´s behavior so sad and counter-productive is that they are making a mess where they live by making sure surrounding Arabs grow to hate them and keep hating them for a very long time...a poor prospect for any kind of future...and israelis aren´t stupid, if not for the United States they would have made peace long ago.

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poor bastards in debate pancho - Sunday, January 9 2011, 12:16:16 (UTC)
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