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Ashur Beth-Shlimon wrote:
>"You know Assyrianmuslim, how many times I will explain to you things that you don't give but a DEAF EARS,and now let me state them again in brief:
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>- The Christian religion spread with people who gave their lives no matter what, but your beloved ISLAM and who spread it were killers and thugs and I don't have to give examples , you could find that from Mohammad up to his followers in the Islamic books itself!
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>- Christianity did many things which were wrong, but KEEP IN MIND that is not the REAL CHRISTIANITY , those who did those things used Christianity in a wrong way. While in ISLAM the situation is different , ISLAM is to kill anyone who opposes you which is stated in the first Qura'n sora up to the end.
>-No Christian country in its law stated that CHRISTIANITY is the religion of the state, WHILE Islam did that , that you can find an Islamic country that ignore ISLAM , but the first thing will say - that SUCH is an Islamic country.
>- If Christian countries do whatever they do, are free because they are not doing that as a Christians , but as a secular government while any ISLAMIC country whatever they do it is in the name of ISLAM , so your ISLAM then is responsible for their action , while if a Christian country did anything the CHRISTIANITY is not liable .
>- You defend how peaceful ISLAM is, where the CUSTODIAN of ISLAM which is Saudi Arabia , just look to its flag and what you will see? I am positive you know that - WHICH IS A SWORD AND ABOVE THE WORDS OF ANY MUSLIM SAY IT WHEN HE PRAY TO GOD - no God , but GOD , and Muhammed the messenger of GOD " , HERE YOU WILL SEE THE CONTRADICTION That you praise GOD with a sword , could you tell me if your Islam is a peaceful , why they use sword, could you tell me that thousands of your MUSLIMS who are rejecting your Islam are killed not by the MUSLIM mobs, but by their own people , by their father or brother and now you tell me ISLAM is a peaceful religion, UNLESS YOU WEAR BLENDERS and you are.
>- In the WEST countries , you say that many are becoming Muslims, then tell me who was killed because of that , I am positive you don't find even one single one, but YOUR OWN MUSLIMS that you describe them peaceful people THAT KILLED THEIR DAUGHTERS because they refuse to abide your ISLAM which consider a woman as INCOMPLETE !
>And finally, you are happy with ISLAM good for you , but why you are hiding , why you don't see your people and preach your ISLAM ? because for sure they will laugh at you , because they know what is Islam more than you .
>In conclusion, you don't need from me any evidence about ISLAMIC atrocity , the MUSLIMS themselves are proud of it the only thing is to go and read their history books and you will see , to a point the MESSENGER of GOD Muhammad participated himself in fighting and confiscating people wealth to be distributed among themselves! for GOD sake what kind of messenger is he?! unfortunately, you are living in ISLAMIC HALLUCINATION that will not lead you no where, IF THAT ISLAM WAS AS YOU STATED , as the Americans say it , LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT, unfortunately you SOLD YOUR ISLAM for your good life in AMERICA , and try to fill the VACUUM which you are familiar with with your EMPTY ISLAMIC RHETORIC!"

As always, you just managed to make your statements and give us your opinion. Everything you said was bogus and at no time did Muslims spread their faith by forcing people to convert nor did they kill people for refusing. But you claim Islam requires us to kill others and force them to convert, even though there are no such teachings, I would like to know what in the world Muslims were doing for over a 1,000 years. The Turks didn't do their job when they had the power for 600 years. The Arabs didn't do their job for centuries when they had all the power to do so. Every Hindu is giving evidence that Islam was not forced on them. every Spanish Christian is giving evidence. Every Christian from the entire Eastern Europe is a living evidence. However, it was Christianity which spread by forcing conversions and you know damn well that you consider them all Christians or else you wouldn't be shouting 'leave our Christian countries and go to Saudi". There wouldn't be a "Christianity" today if it were not for forced conversions and all that they did in their history. Muslims could have borrowed those methods but they chose not to.

I think a Christian minister said it best when he and his clergy members were debating as to what has attracted people to Islam to embrace it in masses, and he stated "it's simple approach of God, unity of God, no trinity, daily prayers, fasting, zakat, and it is rational". This is not my opinion but statements made by christian clergy men. In reality, the reason you can't bring any evidence to support your accusations is because there is none but at the same time there is no need to force Islam on people. There were people in the time of the prophet who accepted Islam and later renounced it because they didn't like women inheriting, owning property, giving zakat and other things, yet the prophet did not chase them or have them executed. If only everyone was as foolish as you want people to be, that they would not even think about investigating and researching.

a perfect example is Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand. These countries saw no Arab armies yet have so many Muslims. Indonesia was resisting Christianity and the only Muslims they saw were a few merchants from Yemen who went to buy and sell spices. Because of these few Arab merchants, Indonesians embraced Islam in masses. Today there are over 220 million Muslims in Indonesia and it has the largest Muslim population in the world as well. another example is the entire west Africa. A few Arab businessmen traveled there to buy and sell products from the natives, they settled a few miles away from the natives and the natives would observe their behavior. They were amazed by how they would stop doing their business affairs and join together and pray. The Africans saw that and accepted Islam in large crowds. Islam is the largest religion in Africa and especially Senegal, Mali, Nigeria, Gambia, Ivory coast, Togo, and others. No Muslim armies went there yet they are almost all Muslims. Countries in which Muslims were the rulers for centuries still have their religions, and countries with hardly any contact with Arabs have the largest Muslim populations.

As for your lies that converts to Islam do not face trouble, that is a joke too. I know many converts and I know what they go through. They have been discriminated against, lost their friends, family members, jobs and even been attacked. There was a pregnant white American convert in Virgina who was attacked and beaten and ended up losing her baby in the incident. All because she was Muslim. sick people exist everywhere and if it were not for jails, there would be much more killings. Don't act naive because you are not fooling me. The key to all this is education, learning and knowing your religion. If all Muslims knew their Islam and lived their lives according to it, it be a much better world, but not everyone does so. You also stated that I hide in America and Muslims laugh at me but you know nothing about me just as you know nothing about Islam. I do not hide no where. I am open with my Islam and, for your information, "born Muslims" love to learn about Islam from me and I feel like they are over praising me because I am not scholar but I do a lot of learning and researching. Why would "born Muslims" from Muslim countries come to learn of Islam in the west rather than from home? It is because sometimes people don't know or weren't taught. There is ignorance, and of course i am not saying there are no good born Muslims but there are many who don't know their religion and their governments, institutions and teachers aren't even good teachers.

One thing that I can sense from you is that you could have never known any Muslims in your life. I know who or what you refer to as Muslims and believe it or not, even they are better people than most of your Christians. Because a human being can be good even if he/she did not belong to a religion. We do not need religion to tell us "don't do adultery" "don't steal" and all the other cool stuff. We are all born with fitrah, and since you consider yourself an expert in Arabic, I will not translate, but we all have a conscience and any decent human being will object to an injustice. For example, if me and Pancho were walking down the street and we see a group of thugs gang raping a girl, we would automatically do something or react. I doubt any sane human being will stand there and laugh or cheer them on. Maybe a "false Christian" would cheer them on but a sane human with fitrah will not do so.

I will post what I believe about your Christianity and about your Jesus, inshaAllah, if brother Pancho has no objection to it. I have already given you my evidence from your own Christian historians about the spread of Islam and how it was your religion that forced people to convert. But since all those were and are not Christians, then you will let us know that you were only kidding when you say "leave our Christian country". You will also say that Bush and the hundreds of millions of Christians are not real. in other words, Christianity is not the largest religion in the world but actually smaller than Judaism. You change very quick and what a moron you make of yourself. Just as the type of Christians who pose as atheists and attack me and later on undress themselves. This is typical of you. Run and hide, come back and make more claims while avoiding the real topic which you bring up.

At least now we all know and including you, there is a difference between saying something and backing it up. You boys have been spoiled for far too long and only now you are in trouble because you are dealing with people who were raised no different from you but we were able to make proper judging and we realized that what we were taught was lies. To people like you and Fred Aprim, it is a crime to be friends with Muslims but there are Iraqi Christians who are friends with Muslims, who lives with them, ate with them, went to weddings and much more. You people are paranoid and you only function off "dead Assyrians" and they have to be killed by Iraqis in order for you to stay in business.

I will give you my wealth if you can give me evidence that Islam teaches us to kill everyone and force people to convert. One Muslim scholar offered a million to anyone to prove this lie and no one stepped up. As money worshiping as your priests and pastors are, not one opened his mouth. They are as silent as church mice. There was another challenge to find the words "holy war" in the Quran or Sunnah and no one has come forth to collect the money. What about "sword"? There are 17 different words in Arabic for sword and find it in the Quran. I challenge you since you're an "expert" in Arabic. It is easy to make statements but there will always be people who demand evidence and love honesty, which something you people do not love. Ironically, Christianity supposedly teaches "don't lie" but I guess you are not a Christian either. how much fairer can I be, I avoid Muslim historians because I don't want to be accused of biased but you can't even bring one proof for your statements. Remember opinions aren't proof and the burden is you since you're making the accusation.

It's innocent until proven guilty, and Islam is innocent of what you or other hate-mongering Christians accuse it of.



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