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=> the lunatic fringe...

the lunatic fringe...
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the entire post is worth reading just to see what kind of nonsense rages in the minds of these people...you cans ee what happenes when the Church puts its hand into the mind of a child and squooshes his or her brains early...this last part requires a response...


Our mission is to alert all of our people in Iraq and in Diaspora, and that includes Washington of course, of what is going on.
Don’t tell me that Mar Dinkha and his stooges are that naďve and not aware of what is happening.

...first of all ALL their clerics are stooges...and they've only succeeded in making stooges of their followers. In the second place Washington and the world don't care...they have far more serious issues to consider...Washington has had no trouble running over hundreds of thousands of people...you're like a Jew who feels if he can only tell Hitler what goes on in concentration camps it will all STOP> The United States has show n itself able and willing to put up with and CAUSE all sorts of suffering to innocent people...they could care less...you told the WORLD about Nineveh and got Kurdistan for your troubles.

I assume that you are familiar with our history in the last 200 years. For starters, the massacres that were committed by the Kurdish leader, Mr. Bader Khan Beg in 1843 in the Hekkari mountains against the Assyrians,

...againt CHRISTIANS...but surely you're aware of all the massacres Christians have brought to the REST of the world? So what? If you Christians can massacre people and bring us world wars...why can't a Kurd get carried away? You mean the world saw no massacres SINCE then?

followed by the 1915 genocide at the hands of the Turks, Kurds and Persians.

..it was not a genocide...and it wasn't the national policy of those nations...Christians were able to find safety WITHIN those countries..contrast that with what the United States has done to Iraqi children...as a POLICY!

Or how about the coward Mr. Simco who invited Mar Benyamin Shamoun for a cordial meeting to discuss some matters. The Patriarch along with almost all of his entourage was murdered in cold blood.

...how come he wasn't "collateral" damage"? How come you people don't mention who killed your NEXT Patriarch? Why don't you say it was a CHRISTIAN? Seems to me once again that only the KILLER matters...that when one of you is killed by a Muslim he becomes PRECIOUS...what about all the Christians in Iraq killed BY Christians? Why don't you include their names in your list of victims? Christian nations have starved to death almost as many Iraq children and the Turks are accused of killing Christians...over 30,000 CHRISTIAN children in Iraq were starved to death by America,,,a Christian nation...that's TEN TIMES the number who were killed at Semele...yet you never say a word about them. You can bet if Muslims had killed those children you'd be weeping your phoney tears...because you could USE them then...as it is, seeing as how they were murdered by Christians you remain silent. Is this just a team sport to you?

The poor Patriarch was being strongly warned by different individuals not to attend the meeting but he did not listen and decided to go. The result of his decision did not only cause his death, but a lot of the elders and leaders that abided by the Patriarch’s decision and accompanied him to their fateful meeting.

...you didn't listen when Assyrians told you NOT to trust the British again...NOT to wear their uniforms and use their guns to kill Iraqis...but you did it anyway and the result was Semele and a new betrayal..but it isn't the fault of the British, they merely give you the CHANCE to betray us..it is YOU who makes the decision...just as you did this time when you pleaded with the United States and Britain to come kill Iraq...and now YOU are crying all over again.

It was a disastrous situation for the whole Assyrian Nation leaving them without a Sheppard

...do you know what a shephard DOES with his sheep? Do you think he tends them out of love? He guards them and leads them to where the food is easy...he fattens them and then he SLAUGHTERS them...or sells them to slaughter...do you WANT that for your people?

or some politicians to take over the safety of the nation and the fight against this coward, and what about the Semele massacre and Baker Sidqi’s involvement? “Those who do not learn from history are distained to repeat it”

...exactly the point...this time you got yourselves a Kurdistan! When WILL you learn that the foreign Christians will NEVER give you anything but rather will cause more loss and harm than anyone else?

My dear Mr. Isaac, this is the 21st Century, and the role of a Religious Leader to deal in the politics of our Nation, is far gone and finished since 1940, when Mar Eshai Shamoun’s Appeal did not appeal to the League of Nations. Mind you, he had a far better grasp of the English language and a much stronger personality than Mar Dinkha.

...yes...but your entire claim to being Assyrians COMES from your religion.

You are mentioning that it is not up to Mr. Youel Baba to decide whether Mar Dinkha should or should not speak on behalf of the Assyrians. Rabi Youel Baba is 100% right in saying that Mar Dinkha should NOT speak on behalf of the Assyrians and neither should Mar Addai nor Mar Emanuel Dalley or Mar Zakkay of the Suryanis. If you are calling them Holy men of God then they should only deal in a Christian way of uniting that “Famous Eastern Church.”

...heheheheheheheh

For 15 centuries, they have not been able to accomplish, that badly needed Unity, and you Mr. Isaac think that they should interfere in solving “The Assyrian Question” or the unification of our split identities. You must be joking!

...you're ALL joking...you just won't laught at your own jokes.

All of them have failed terribly to unite their Churches. On the contrary, they have even created more schisms among our believers who have been compelled to adopt other sects in Christianity.

...your political parties all fronts for those same religious cults...who you think you're fooling? You slap the name "politics" on your church when you thik no one is looking, just as you slap the name "Assyrian" on yourselves AND your churches...and all you've gotten for it is SLAPPED.

All of them should be ashamed of their deeds and should repent and openly confess to their fifteen centuries of shortcomings and apologize to their congregations by admitting that: “We have sinned towards our Christianity and our nation. We hold ourselves guilty before you and our almighty God in cheating you. We have deprived you of the unification which you have been hoping for and dreaming of for centuries because of our selfishness and greediness for silver and power in retaining our comfortable chairs. Please pray for us and forgive us so that we can die in peace. We admit that we are asking a bit too much in exchange for the pain and suffering that we have caused you for so long and so much misery. This is what we should be hearing from our Patriarchs!

...you're simply one more religious person thinking to hide his fanaticism behind a "national" front...the good thing is that no one in Iraq or anywhere else is fooled...

You are saying that Rabi Youel Baba’s statement that Mar Dinkha has traded schools and infrastructure for Churches is false, because during his visit, Mr. Barazani welcomed the suggestion by the Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East and agreed to open a school in Erbil. CHEIBO to Mar Dinkha. You honestly think that this was really a Great Accomplishment? Are you serious Mr. Isaac? This is “Pathetic”. You should have elaborated on whether this school is an elementary, kindergarten, nursery or an orphanage for the homeless Assyrian children whose homes were most probably taken over by the Kurds, as the goodwill efforts of the Patriarch.

...gobbledegook.

We have never been beggars

...talk about not learning from your history...you have ALWAYS been beggars...you beg a Jew god to come save you and you've been begging ever since.


and we will not accept charity from Kaka Barazani or Kaka Sargis Agha Jan or anyone else, to build us a lousy school in Hawler.

...YOU may not...but the people STILL trying to remain in BetNahrain WANT TO. You sure as shit can't build them anything.

In Unification, we can build many schools, training centers, and even universities but again our Patriarch’s are more interested in building Churches,

...you will never unify because your identity is ENTIRELY based on your religion and you've been fighting over that and calling each other names since you betrayed Ashur for this Jew religion..it has done to you what the Jews NEVER could...when we were ASSYRIANS!

because that is the best way of controlling their congregations.
To start with, they don’t know anything about the words “Infrastructure or Education” they can’t even spell those two words correctly.
Mr. Isaac, I am afraid that Rabi Youel Baba has hit the nail on the head once again.

..on its pointy head.

Talking about Rabi Youel Baba in stating that he would rather live and die as an Assyrian, rather than a Christian. I would again agree more with him than the so-called Assyrian Christian hypocrites who blindly follow their Patriarch and carry so much hatred towards their brothers from other churches be it East or West.

...that hatred is no different from the hatred you carry against your Muslim brothers and sisters.

And that is what brother Youel and many others, I included, are sick of, and disgusted by. We would rather stick to our nationalism than a fake Christianity

..it is a fake nationalism as well.

that is nowadays followed by many, either for personal reasons or because the Patriarch happens to be from the same chosen people of their tribe, or he hates Zowaa because they proved to be a genuinely strong party which we never had before and which is why Zowaa won the previous elections by a staggering landslide.

...you WOULD call that a "landslide"!

By the way, I never said that ADM were faultless and the same goes for the Republican Party, is it perfect? No, but they are ruling the world. Some other individuals who are involved are purely there for their own selfish interests with the KDP.

...Republicans are destroying BetNahrain...only they're getting the shit kciked out of them..and you've set the Christians of Iraq up all over again....you people despise each other and yourselves...as you SHOULD.

I will close my lines hoping that someone of your caliber should join our struggle for a free homeland without any conditions attached to it from any source of power.

...from DUBAI? You too sit in an office trying to get the few Christians of Iraq killed for being "traitors" because they DARED remain behind to live among MUSLIMS...they give you the lie every time...and from your office in Dubai you are telling THEM what to do and misrepresenting them to the "world"...you worse than a horse's ass.

Ammo Kelaita
Dubai

Note: This response is a bit late coming simply because Wilfred Alkhas of the respected Zinda Magazine refused to publish it, because it simply did not fit his agenda. I am hoping that our new Assyrian forum will publish it.

...you ALL have your agendas...and you ALL want the others to give in to YOUR agendas...and it will never stop. You are a pimple on the ass of the world.



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