The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> when the last tree is gone....

Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Saturday, February 19 2011, 14:01:57 (UTC)
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...what do you do for building material....steel? Okay, what do you do when the last steel is gone? Maybe you'll have invented away to transform garbage into miracle material.....but probably not since the start-up costs of such an effort would be huge and well beyond the narrow interests of your basic Capitalist.

We're going to face an invevitable question one day: what constitutes being "alive"? Is it material success...is it just the basics...is it all physical...is it at all spiritual? Why are we here, or, never mind the existential stuff...what do we want to do with our time here? Most people have simple needs and desires...they want loving realtionships and many want a family and children...unfortunately the lifestyle we've chosen for ourselves turns children against their parents and makes parents wonder why they ever had children instead of that nice dog.

"Love" is almost meaningless...it's been co-opted by commercials and sales gimmicks...if you can LOVE your car then you don't know what love is.

Jefferson's ideal of a nation of gentlemanly farmers didn't die a natural death..it was murdered by the Industrial Revolution which was only partly about invention and more about enslavement...not by slave raids but by forcing the necessity of industrial labor onto people....the Brits did it best by all of a sudden imposing taxes on Africans who could no longer pay with chickens and cows but had to use British sterling...and could only get it by going to work on someone's plantation...or else jail.

It was a little different in the West but the end result was the same...you now needed paper money which could only come from private bankers...under the guise of a "federal" reserve which had nothign to do with any federal government.

And we're still stuck there...this is the main stumbling block to any meaningful change...FDR got it partially right with puclic sector finance but he made the classic mistake of borrowing even more from private bankers, it's just that he used the money to put people to work, directly, instead of giving it to the wealthy to "trickle" down onto our heads...but it meant more debt and more of our wages to pay the interest.

Lincoln had it right when he refused offers of loans to fight the Civil War but printed his own Greenbacks, sidestepping the privae bankers and their interest rates....but for the most part we've been making ourselves more and more poor....by increasing our debt as a way to get more money flowing...it's bound to bankrupt anyone, or any country.

If that doesn't change, nothing will.

The whole idea os working to make more and more profit is more and more self-defeating...as we're beginning to realize...this time no WPA New Deal is going to save us...and a bigger war won't do it either...that's what really stopped the Great Depression..it wasn't FDRs spending on public sector jobs but the biggest public works program ever...WW II.

But even that ace is no longer up our sleeve. The entire notion that food on the table can onl be put there through the kindness of a corporation has to go. Corporations don't exist to be kind or to care how much food we have on our table or if we have a table...theye xist to make as much money as thye can if that comes to mean cutting your groceries in half, or altogether, then they will.

This is all old stuff...nothing new here except that the endgame is coming closer and closer and ain't it great? It's about time too.

Palin Forever...and let's get it over with...enough with Dems trying to keep this rotten hulk afloat some more....give us back the neo-cons...give us more of what brought us here...eliminate all taxes...shut down the federal government...get rid of all regulations, fire all meat inspectors....let's stop keeping this fat, wheezing baby of an economy alive...go ALL the way...give them what they want...it's the surest way of bringing it all crashing down faster.

It was a marvellous experiment and we learned what doesn't work...so turn the lights off alright already! You're stinking up the place.

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