The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> where are your fucking sources???

Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Friday, April 27 2012, 16:26:50 (UTC)
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"From 538 BC, Assyria, (which remained a political and named entity)...

..it did? Where is the citation for this absurd statement? I see none.

was under Persian Achaemenid, Macedonian, Seleucid, Parthian Arascid, Roman and Sassanid rule for seven centuries undergoing Christianization during this time.

...under all those empires, it remained a "political entity"? It did? Where are the citations?...where are the sources?...where is the evidence? And please, stop with your pro-Christian rants...okay?

..these, and others like them, are statements made by admitted amateurs....how can this statement be verified, since that is Wikipedia's own criterion? Where is the citation for this statement?

Assyria flourished during the Achaemenid period (from 539-323 BC),

..it did? Which historian says that? Give names and references. Dr Joseph has done so, and shown the exact opposite, that what remained was an "ossified" civilization which could neither assimilate nor fight off the influence of all these vital conquerors and their Sumero-Akkadian culture was submerged and eventually replaced.....where is the citation for your statement, which flies in the face of expert testimony? I have provided citations for Dr Joseph's writing on this matter...where are yours?

becoming a major source of manpower for the Achaemenid armies

...who said that? I mean besides you. Which historian and in which field...and where was it said...tell us so we can VERIFY it, please.

and a breadbasket for the empire,

...that would remain true, so long as the irrigation systems were maintained,,,,,however, when Xenophon marched through there, 200 years after the fall of Nineveh, he mentions no "Assyrians" present but only Medes...and the old cities of Assyria had been reduced to dust and rubble, as per Roux, another non-volunteer. So, we need some clarification and sources for these claims which only exist on Wikipedia.....please?

disproving the Biblical assertion that Assyria was both depopulated and devastated.[35][36]

...please keep religion out of the discussion, like you said. If Assyria wasn't depopulated, then why didn't Xenophon see any Assyrians, but only Medes? The way at that time was to completely burn a conquered city to the ground, especially one belonging to a people so hated as the Assyrians were...Ashurbanipal's library bears the marks of a devastating fire, which cooked the clay tablets for our benefit...the Assyrians themselves devastated Babylon...so much so that they also rebuilt it anew..and you want us to believe that when the Babylonians and Medes finally got their hands on Assyria...they left it UNdevastated? Your sources please...I have provided sources to show that the area WAS devastated and nothing remotely resembling an "Assyria" survived...where are yours?

Assyrians are also attested as having important administrative posts within the empire.

..they are? Where and by whom are these statements made, besides by you? I have given citations to show that there were no Assyrians in any important posts, but a few priests here and there carrying on the worship of Ashur...it is true that the cities were eventually rebuilt, but there was NO Assyrian "hand", no Assyrian "aristocracy"...no Assyrian influence whatsoever except in art and architecture, according to Crone and Cook...and Roux...and W.W. Tarn. Do you have any citations, by relevant scholars to back up YOUR claims?

..I presented evidence, provided by Dr Joseph, of course, that Odisho "left out" a very important sentence from what he lifted from Roux. Roux went on to explain, and Odisho left out, that while the cities were rebuilt, there was NOTHING "Assyrian" about them. Now, why do you suppose Odisho did that? I can give those citations again, should you want to VERIFY them...as Wikipedia claims must be standard practice...what are your standards? (~~~~)

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where are your fucking sources??? pancho - Friday, April 27 2012, 16:26:50 (UTC)
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